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	<title>Comments on: Real Food Quote Monday &#8211; &#8220;Animal, Vegetable, Miracle&#8221; by Barbara Kingsolver</title>
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		<title>By: Deanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband and I recently joined a CSA after we graduated college and got married. [for more information on CSA&#039;s in your area visit http://www.localharvest.org/csa/]

This has held us accountable to two of Barbara Kingsolver&#039;s standards, eating locally and seasonally. It has been neat to see our bodies becoming more intune with the earth. It has also been fun to try to incorporate Japanese turnips and mass amounts of swiss chard into our diet. 

Our farmer has recently started a meat CSA. We do not have room in our small apartment for 20lbs of meat/month, nor do we consume anywhere close to that amount of meat in a month. However, if you have a meat loving family and a deep freeze this is a great way to save money on organic meats! 

We personally buy meat as needed from our CSA farmer, the local farmer&#039;s market when in season, and the local organic grocery store. We get our eggs from a neighbor of our CSA farmer [we just saw the &quot;fresh eggs&quot; sign and knocked on their door!] and we also get raw milk from a local dairy farmer. 

great book and great work everyone!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband and I recently joined a CSA after we graduated college and got married. [for more information on CSA's in your area visit <a href="http://www.localharvest.org/csa/" rel="nofollow">http://www.localharvest.org/csa/</a></p>
<p>This has held us accountable to two of Barbara Kingsolver's standards, eating locally and seasonally. It has been neat to see our bodies becoming more intune with the earth. It has also been fun to try to incorporate Japanese turnips and mass amounts of swiss chard into our diet. </p>
<p>Our farmer has recently started a meat CSA. We do not have room in our small apartment for 20lbs of meat/month, nor do we consume anywhere close to that amount of meat in a month. However, if you have a meat loving family and a deep freeze this is a great way to save money on organic meats! </p>
<p>We personally buy meat as needed from our CSA farmer, the local farmer's market when in season, and the local organic grocery store. We get our eggs from a neighbor of our CSA farmer [we just saw the "fresh eggs" sign and knocked on their door!] and we also get raw milk from a local dairy farmer. </p>
<p>great book and great work everyone!</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Schatz - menus for limited diets</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Schatz - menus for limited diets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 03:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I started reading this book last summer and then never finished it even though I loved it - I have to pick it up again and finish it!

It is hard to remember that pasture-raised meat was not really available in the 90&#039;s.  I think it is because I was a vegetarian because I didn&#039;t want to eat meat that was raised in factories.  

Around 2001 or so, my body said, &quot;No more tofu!&quot;  I reluctantly started eating meat again after a couple of doctors had told me it would help me.  I felt so great after my first chicken salad - I couldn&#039;t believe it.  

I ended up losing about 20 or so pounds, I think all due to not eating soy anymore and eating meat again.  But I did start eating humanely raised and organic when possible, meat.  

I didn&#039;t start eating beef or lamb until a few years ago.  And shortly after that, I learned about grass-fed beef and lamb and the huge difference between it and corn-fed.

I now get a 20 lb box of 1 lb packs of ground grass-fed beef from a local farmer and split it with a friend of mine.  It is about $3.50 a lb which is awesome compared to the Common Market where it is $7.00 a lb.  In september he had a special where it ended up being less than $3 a lb.

So it pays to research local farmers and to ask about bulk discounts!

thanks again Wardeh!
Sarah
.-= Sarah Schatz - menus for limited diets´s last blog post...  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.heartofcooking.com/2009/12/why-a-weekly-menu-planner-makes-a-great-holiday-gift-for-someone-on-a-limited-diet/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Why a weekly menu planner makes a great holiday gift for someone on a limited diet&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I started reading this book last summer and then never finished it even though I loved it &#8211; I have to pick it up again and finish it!</p>
<p>It is hard to remember that pasture-raised meat was not really available in the 90&#8242;s.  I think it is because I was a vegetarian because I didn&#8217;t want to eat meat that was raised in factories.  </p>
<p>Around 2001 or so, my body said, &#8220;No more tofu!&#8221;  I reluctantly started eating meat again after a couple of doctors had told me it would help me.  I felt so great after my first chicken salad &#8211; I couldn&#8217;t believe it.  </p>
<p>I ended up losing about 20 or so pounds, I think all due to not eating soy anymore and eating meat again.  But I did start eating humanely raised and organic when possible, meat.  </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t start eating beef or lamb until a few years ago.  And shortly after that, I learned about grass-fed beef and lamb and the huge difference between it and corn-fed.</p>
<p>I now get a 20 lb box of 1 lb packs of ground grass-fed beef from a local farmer and split it with a friend of mine.  It is about $3.50 a lb which is awesome compared to the Common Market where it is $7.00 a lb.  In september he had a special where it ended up being less than $3 a lb.</p>
<p>So it pays to research local farmers and to ask about bulk discounts!</p>
<p>thanks again Wardeh!<br />
Sarah<br />
.-= Sarah Schatz &#8211; menus for limited diets´s last blog post&#8230;  <a href="http://www.heartofcooking.com/2009/12/why-a-weekly-menu-planner-makes-a-great-holiday-gift-for-someone-on-a-limited-diet/" rel="nofollow">Why a weekly menu planner makes a great holiday gift for someone on a limited diet</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Wardeh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wardeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 04:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tiffany - I don&#039;t know the answer to your question. I tend to fall back on what God told Peter - not to call unclean what God has cleansed. Then too, was this literal or more figurative as Peter struggled with accepting Gentiles into the fold of the new Christianity?

I know people make the argument that the &quot;unclean&quot; meats are less healthy and regardless, we should avoid them. It seems such a personal choice, and not able to be decided clearly. I can&#039;t fault anyone for choosing either side. Certainly, if you don&#039;t feel well when you eat pork, listening to your body tells you more than anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tiffany &#8211; I don&#8217;t know the answer to your question. I tend to fall back on what God told Peter &#8211; not to call unclean what God has cleansed. Then too, was this literal or more figurative as Peter struggled with accepting Gentiles into the fold of the new Christianity?</p>
<p>I know people make the argument that the &#8220;unclean&#8221; meats are less healthy and regardless, we should avoid them. It seems such a personal choice, and not able to be decided clearly. I can&#8217;t fault anyone for choosing either side. Certainly, if you don&#8217;t feel well when you eat pork, listening to your body tells you more than anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Wardeh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wardeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 04:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really happy to read what you and your families are doing. We all, me included, must remember that we only can do what we can do. God doesn&#039;t ask any more of us than we are able - and nowhere does he say we MUST do this or that. I&#039;m so grateful that He allows us to glorify Him in many and varied ways!

Regarding local food and how much we are able to purchase/find - when we compare ourselves to others, we humans think we fall short! So once again, we need not strive to do what others are doing, but strive to glorify God as best we can - as He has equipped us. My family has a long way to go to reach an &quot;ideal&quot; and we may never get there, but what makes me very, very glad is that we all can encourage each other and share the journey with each other. God bless you all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really happy to read what you and your families are doing. We all, me included, must remember that we only can do what we can do. God doesn&#8217;t ask any more of us than we are able &#8211; and nowhere does he say we MUST do this or that. I&#8217;m so grateful that He allows us to glorify Him in many and varied ways!</p>
<p>Regarding local food and how much we are able to purchase/find &#8211; when we compare ourselves to others, we humans think we fall short! So once again, we need not strive to do what others are doing, but strive to glorify God as best we can &#8211; as He has equipped us. My family has a long way to go to reach an &#8220;ideal&#8221; and we may never get there, but what makes me very, very glad is that we all can encourage each other and share the journey with each other. God bless you all!</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 00:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved that book, but it made me want that much more to be able to raise all my own food.  It&#039;s just not possible where we live (land is too expensive), and right now with a baby, even having a garden is tough.  Still, it inspires me to try and garden more when I am able.

Where I live, locally raised meat is the most expensive choice.  Whole Foods sometimes has sales to compete with the factory-farmed stores, and their chicken is often reasonable, but it&#039;s still pricey.  We used to buy all of our meat from WF, but our financial circumstances make it hard to do right now, so we have been buying some meat from regular supermarkets, as much as I hate it.  There really is a big difference in chicken quality; I bought some Perdue chicken because it was 29 cents a pound, but it is disgusting quality meat, with too much fat and a weird texture.

I would like to buy a quarter cow; there are farms near me where buying a whole/partial animal really is reasonable, but even some of those are pricey, like $6/lb hanging weight, which works out to something more like $8/lb or something for the actual meat!  Sure, some of it is steaks, but some is hamburger and whatnot.  I&#039;d also like to find somewhere to sell us a whole lamb, since we like lamb meat a lot, and it&#039;s hard to get things like lamb livers.
.-= Rebecca´s last blog post...  &lt;a href=&quot;http://withwithout.wordpress.com/2009/12/07/menu-plan-monday-week-of-1272009/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Menu Plan Monday – Week of 12/7/2009&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved that book, but it made me want that much more to be able to raise all my own food.  It&#8217;s just not possible where we live (land is too expensive), and right now with a baby, even having a garden is tough.  Still, it inspires me to try and garden more when I am able.</p>
<p>Where I live, locally raised meat is the most expensive choice.  Whole Foods sometimes has sales to compete with the factory-farmed stores, and their chicken is often reasonable, but it&#8217;s still pricey.  We used to buy all of our meat from WF, but our financial circumstances make it hard to do right now, so we have been buying some meat from regular supermarkets, as much as I hate it.  There really is a big difference in chicken quality; I bought some Perdue chicken because it was 29 cents a pound, but it is disgusting quality meat, with too much fat and a weird texture.</p>
<p>I would like to buy a quarter cow; there are farms near me where buying a whole/partial animal really is reasonable, but even some of those are pricey, like $6/lb hanging weight, which works out to something more like $8/lb or something for the actual meat!  Sure, some of it is steaks, but some is hamburger and whatnot.  I&#8217;d also like to find somewhere to sell us a whole lamb, since we like lamb meat a lot, and it&#8217;s hard to get things like lamb livers.<br />
.-= Rebecca´s last blog post&#8230;  <a href="http://withwithout.wordpress.com/2009/12/07/menu-plan-monday-week-of-1272009/" rel="nofollow">Menu Plan Monday – Week of 12/7/2009</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Knowing me, you probably know I didn&#039;t love that book.  But the idea behind it was great, and the seasonal menus were inspiring.

I don&#039;t think the cost structure will shift at stores like Whole Foods.  I read that same thinking 12 or so years ago when I read Marilu Henner&#039;s book, and went organic.  We were vegan for a while also, trying to stay away from bad stuff.  We finally realized we would go broke if we continued to eat all organic.  Prices have definately not come down in the last 12 years that I have been paying attention.  But, like you, we have found ways of keeping costs down without having to shop at the expensive health food stores.  Buying a whole cow, having our own eggs, buying grains in bulk, learning to garden, hopefully finding a close dairy source.  We try to do what we can, but not make ourselves crazy in the process.  We do live in a fallen world afterall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Knowing me, you probably know I didn&#8217;t love that book.  But the idea behind it was great, and the seasonal menus were inspiring.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the cost structure will shift at stores like Whole Foods.  I read that same thinking 12 or so years ago when I read Marilu Henner&#8217;s book, and went organic.  We were vegan for a while also, trying to stay away from bad stuff.  We finally realized we would go broke if we continued to eat all organic.  Prices have definately not come down in the last 12 years that I have been paying attention.  But, like you, we have found ways of keeping costs down without having to shop at the expensive health food stores.  Buying a whole cow, having our own eggs, buying grains in bulk, learning to garden, hopefully finding a close dairy source.  We try to do what we can, but not make ourselves crazy in the process.  We do live in a fallen world afterall.</p>
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		<title>By: Vanessa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vanessa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both my husband and I have been vegetarians (my husband for health and me, primarily, b/c I&#039;m opposed to animal abuse). I recently became one again then changed course again after being introduced to Sally Fallon Morell&#039;s book and rethinking it. I think I would still be vegetarian if I were not married to someone who craves meat. I&#039;m pretty happy with our arrangement now of buying pasture-fed meat from local farms. Steve seems to like it too, with the exception of the beef-very tough, even the better cuts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both my husband and I have been vegetarians (my husband for health and me, primarily, b/c I&#8217;m opposed to animal abuse). I recently became one again then changed course again after being introduced to Sally Fallon Morell&#8217;s book and rethinking it. I think I would still be vegetarian if I were not married to someone who craves meat. I&#8217;m pretty happy with our arrangement now of buying pasture-fed meat from local farms. Steve seems to like it too, with the exception of the beef-very tough, even the better cuts.</p>
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		<title>By: Tiffany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tiffany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 20:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are meat eaters. I am able to get really good &quot;real&quot; beef from a local rancher. However, chicken has been another story. It is VERY expensive to get organic chicken here. Does anyone know of a good place in Utah to get organic chicken that you don&#039;t have to take out a second mortage for?
I also am kindof hung up on pork. We pretty much stopped eating pork several years ago. My husband and I both noticed we didn&#039;t feel good after eating pork chops or pork roast. We do have the occassional &quot;natural&quot; bacon and maybe ham at our family Christmas dinner.
I personally completely stopped eating pork several months ago. What are your thoughts on pork? Is it a dirty meat? For that matter, what about shell fish?
thanks,
Tiffany</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are meat eaters. I am able to get really good &#8220;real&#8221; beef from a local rancher. However, chicken has been another story. It is VERY expensive to get organic chicken here. Does anyone know of a good place in Utah to get organic chicken that you don&#8217;t have to take out a second mortage for?<br />
I also am kindof hung up on pork. We pretty much stopped eating pork several years ago. My husband and I both noticed we didn&#8217;t feel good after eating pork chops or pork roast. We do have the occassional &#8220;natural&#8221; bacon and maybe ham at our family Christmas dinner.<br />
I personally completely stopped eating pork several months ago. What are your thoughts on pork? Is it a dirty meat? For that matter, what about shell fish?<br />
thanks,<br />
Tiffany</p>
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		<title>By: Greta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 20:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m reading this book right now and loving it!  It is truly an eye opener.  Prior to this past spring, we bought few local meat products.  They were just too expensive.  We found a local farmer that we like, however, and made the jump to local meat by purchasing a 1/4 of organic cow.  It took a bit of looking to find someone reasonable, however (they are within 300 miles instead of the typically suggested 100 miles).  Their prices for beef are very reasonable but, like another poster stated, chicken doesn&#039;t seem to be any less expensive.  We are going to try, however, to buy the majority of our meat locally in the coming year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m reading this book right now and loving it!  It is truly an eye opener.  Prior to this past spring, we bought few local meat products.  They were just too expensive.  We found a local farmer that we like, however, and made the jump to local meat by purchasing a 1/4 of organic cow.  It took a bit of looking to find someone reasonable, however (they are within 300 miles instead of the typically suggested 100 miles).  Their prices for beef are very reasonable but, like another poster stated, chicken doesn&#8217;t seem to be any less expensive.  We are going to try, however, to buy the majority of our meat locally in the coming year.</p>
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		<title>By: Christie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 17:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a great book, and it changed how I purchase foods in season and local, though not exclusively like she does.  (I do buy coconut oil and bananas.)  And my &quot;local&quot; has to be a larger zone, since I live in the high desert.  Sometimes &quot;local&quot; means produce from California, and I avoid South American produce, if those are my options.  

Eating more and more like the gnowfglins way, though, makes grocery shopping easier.  I purchase local produce, eggs and grains from Azure Standard, raw milk from a farmer, and beef and pork from a rancher.  The meat is definitely better quality and cheaper than Trader Joe&#039;s or Whole Foods.  I&#039;ve noticed, however, that farm fresh chickens are *not* cheaper than the chain stores, and I do buy chicken from Trader Joe&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a great book, and it changed how I purchase foods in season and local, though not exclusively like she does.  (I do buy coconut oil and bananas.)  And my &#8220;local&#8221; has to be a larger zone, since I live in the high desert.  Sometimes &#8220;local&#8221; means produce from California, and I avoid South American produce, if those are my options.  </p>
<p>Eating more and more like the gnowfglins way, though, makes grocery shopping easier.  I purchase local produce, eggs and grains from Azure Standard, raw milk from a farmer, and beef and pork from a rancher.  The meat is definitely better quality and cheaper than Trader Joe&#8217;s or Whole Foods.  I&#8217;ve noticed, however, that farm fresh chickens are *not* cheaper than the chain stores, and I do buy chicken from Trader Joe&#8217;s.</p>
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