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	<title>Comments on: Lacto-Fermented (Naturally Pickled) Turnips and Beets</title>
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		<title>By: Dona Russell</title>
		<link>http://gnowfglins.com/2009/06/03/lacto-fermented-naturally-pickled-turnips-and-beets/comment-page-2/#comment-46826</link>
		<dc:creator>Dona Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 05:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the stock you have made and what is it used in/for?</description>
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		<title>By: Jack Stephens</title>
		<link>http://gnowfglins.com/2009/06/03/lacto-fermented-naturally-pickled-turnips-and-beets/comment-page-2/#comment-46206</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Stephens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 14:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted the above in response to Wardeh&#039;s response to me.  Didn&#039;t know it would read as a response to Mary.

To Mary I&#039;d say this: Whey, which has proteins in it (complicated molecules that can break down into all sorts of stuff), has a shelf life, I&#039;ve heard, of &quot;up to six months&quot; but I don&#039;t trust the &quot;up to&quot; because it can become when molds and other organisms start to take over (ever see a nicely planted terrarium after a few months?).  Yet naturally started pickle juice can go on and on, especially when &quot;cloned&quot; container to container like wine lees or mother of vinegar is, because it is preserved by the very organisms that make it.  I have reused the juice from pickled lemons over and over and have heard of some excellent pickled lemons that were over ten years old.  The ancient Chinese new about really really (like 100-year-old) old pickle.  I say, don&#039;t worry about this new-fangled whey guarantee, and do what picklers have done since pickling began, use the pickle juice that keeps and keeps giving, especially in a fridge or root cellar or other cool environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted the above in response to Wardeh&#8217;s response to me.  Didn&#8217;t know it would read as a response to Mary.</p>
<p>To Mary I&#8217;d say this: Whey, which has proteins in it (complicated molecules that can break down into all sorts of stuff), has a shelf life, I&#8217;ve heard, of &#8220;up to six months&#8221; but I don&#8217;t trust the &#8220;up to&#8221; because it can become when molds and other organisms start to take over (ever see a nicely planted terrarium after a few months?).  Yet naturally started pickle juice can go on and on, especially when &#8220;cloned&#8221; container to container like wine lees or mother of vinegar is, because it is preserved by the very organisms that make it.  I have reused the juice from pickled lemons over and over and have heard of some excellent pickled lemons that were over ten years old.  The ancient Chinese new about really really (like 100-year-old) old pickle.  I say, don&#8217;t worry about this new-fangled whey guarantee, and do what picklers have done since pickling began, use the pickle juice that keeps and keeps giving, especially in a fridge or root cellar or other cool environment.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Stephens</title>
		<link>http://gnowfglins.com/2009/06/03/lacto-fermented-naturally-pickled-turnips-and-beets/comment-page-2/#comment-46205</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Stephens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 14:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True, for first timers.  But once you start your first batch, you always have a few teaspoons of starter around. If you think you need it.  To me it&#039;s like taking an aspirin before you have an ache. Just as with naturally started sourdough starter (see the Tartine bread book for a great example of how that, which is a form of lacto pickle too), which has always worked without whey because the same yeasts and bacteria are already present in the air, on hands, in flour, etc., I feel that whey, which is a dairy product, is less natural, and is certainly less traditional, than the ordinary &quot;bloom&quot; on most vegetables that can and does start the pickling process just fine on its own (unless you&#039;ve dipped your vegies in sterilizing solution!). I have never used whey and I have always had a natural start without complication when starting from scratch, since the first batch of pickles I made 40 years ago.  Grandma&#039;s and grandpas my age and older pretty much agree, I bet. Though they may exist, I&#039;ve never seen a pre 1960 pickle recipe that called for whey, either.  What did pioneers, farmers, and urban picklers do for centuries?  They relied on, and still do in many places in the world, natural, reliable, bloom started fermentation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, for first timers.  But once you start your first batch, you always have a few teaspoons of starter around. If you think you need it.  To me it&#8217;s like taking an aspirin before you have an ache. Just as with naturally started sourdough starter (see the Tartine bread book for a great example of how that, which is a form of lacto pickle too), which has always worked without whey because the same yeasts and bacteria are already present in the air, on hands, in flour, etc., I feel that whey, which is a dairy product, is less natural, and is certainly less traditional, than the ordinary &#8220;bloom&#8221; on most vegetables that can and does start the pickling process just fine on its own (unless you&#8217;ve dipped your vegies in sterilizing solution!). I have never used whey and I have always had a natural start without complication when starting from scratch, since the first batch of pickles I made 40 years ago.  Grandma&#8217;s and grandpas my age and older pretty much agree, I bet. Though they may exist, I&#8217;ve never seen a pre 1960 pickle recipe that called for whey, either.  What did pioneers, farmers, and urban picklers do for centuries?  They relied on, and still do in many places in the world, natural, reliable, bloom started fermentation.</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 07:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can anyone tell me how long whey will keep refrigerated without losing its bacterial kick? And is the amount of whey used for fermentation important? I had a massive bowl of greens and it seemed the specified amount of whey wasn&#039;t going to be enough so I threw in more....any problems with using too much or too little? Thanks for all your work here!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can anyone tell me how long whey will keep refrigerated without losing its bacterial kick? And is the amount of whey used for fermentation important? I had a massive bowl of greens and it seemed the specified amount of whey wasn&#8217;t going to be enough so I threw in more&#8230;.any problems with using too much or too little? Thanks for all your work here!</p>
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		<title>By: Wardeh</title>
		<link>http://gnowfglins.com/2009/06/03/lacto-fermented-naturally-pickled-turnips-and-beets/comment-page-2/#comment-45965</link>
		<dc:creator>Wardeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 19:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack -- Yes! If you have leftover juice from another ferment, it is a great kick-start. I agree! Many people don&#039;t have this though, and whey works too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack &#8212; Yes! If you have leftover juice from another ferment, it is a great kick-start. I agree! Many people don&#8217;t have this though, and whey works too.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Stephens</title>
		<link>http://gnowfglins.com/2009/06/03/lacto-fermented-naturally-pickled-turnips-and-beets/comment-page-2/#comment-45964</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Stephens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 18:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there,

Why not use the strains of bacteria already happy fermenting vegetable pickles?

Almost all of the top hit sites on the web dealing with lacto-fermentation advise adding whey, I suppose as a kind of guarantee.  But none that I&#039;ve read say the obvious, which is that if you already have any kind of pickle naturally fermenting (saurkraut, kimchee, dills, lemons, whatever) you can filch a tablespoon or so of liquid from that and add to the new batch as a natural starter.  I have never used whey and have made every pickle you can imagine over the years with no failures, and usually with just salt and water.  But I do like to boast my beets with this starter.

Cheers!

Jack</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there,</p>
<p>Why not use the strains of bacteria already happy fermenting vegetable pickles?</p>
<p>Almost all of the top hit sites on the web dealing with lacto-fermentation advise adding whey, I suppose as a kind of guarantee.  But none that I&#8217;ve read say the obvious, which is that if you already have any kind of pickle naturally fermenting (saurkraut, kimchee, dills, lemons, whatever) you can filch a tablespoon or so of liquid from that and add to the new batch as a natural starter.  I have never used whey and have made every pickle you can imagine over the years with no failures, and usually with just salt and water.  But I do like to boast my beets with this starter.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
<p>Jack</p>
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		<title>By: Ginger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2011 12:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a few ideas about what to do with the left over pickling liquid.  I use a few tablespoons to wash down my supplements instead of water or juice.  I figure the probiotics are helping digest and utilize them better, just like an enzyme capsule would.  I have severe digestive disorders, and I think since I&#039;ve been doing this the last few weeks my digestion has improved.  I&#039;m also going to try incorporating the juice into hummus, baba ganouj, and just about any dip that won&#039;t be heated, thus destroying the beneficial enzymes and bacteria.  I&#039;ve dehydrated a ton of veggies from my garden, and I&#039;m going to try rehydrating them using the fermented juice.  I could grind the dehydrated tomatoes, zucchini, and cucumbers to a powder, then add the juice, and use the mixture in a dip or salad dressing.  I haven&#039;t tried it yet, but I think it will work.  You can also use the fermented juice in place of vinegar in any recipe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a few ideas about what to do with the left over pickling liquid.  I use a few tablespoons to wash down my supplements instead of water or juice.  I figure the probiotics are helping digest and utilize them better, just like an enzyme capsule would.  I have severe digestive disorders, and I think since I&#8217;ve been doing this the last few weeks my digestion has improved.  I&#8217;m also going to try incorporating the juice into hummus, baba ganouj, and just about any dip that won&#8217;t be heated, thus destroying the beneficial enzymes and bacteria.  I&#8217;ve dehydrated a ton of veggies from my garden, and I&#8217;m going to try rehydrating them using the fermented juice.  I could grind the dehydrated tomatoes, zucchini, and cucumbers to a powder, then add the juice, and use the mixture in a dip or salad dressing.  I haven&#8217;t tried it yet, but I think it will work.  You can also use the fermented juice in place of vinegar in any recipe.</p>
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		<title>By: Bethany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bethany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 03:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard, You had me at garlic.  I have GOT to try this soon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, You had me at garlic.  I have GOT to try this soon!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Washburn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Washburn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 01:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not just beets but about anything can be fermentated.  carrots, cukes, zukes, beans, crooked neck squash, tomatoes, brocolli, tormatillos, rubarb, and garlic are what I have done, all with good results</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not just beets but about anything can be fermentated.  carrots, cukes, zukes, beans, crooked neck squash, tomatoes, brocolli, tormatillos, rubarb, and garlic are what I have done, all with good results</p>
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		<title>By: Bethany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bethany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 18:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is interesting!  I&#039;m working on trying to acquire a taste for beets and so have been looking for different ways to prepare them.  I love most pickled things, so I think I&#039;ll have to give this a try.  Lacto-fermentation is interesting!  I think I&#039;ll have to read more about it.  I bet you could lacto-ferment bread, could you not?  Or is that the same as sourdough?  Hmm... I&#039;ll have to do a bit more research.  Anyway, thanks for the recipe!  I&#039;ll stick it on my list of things to try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is interesting!  I&#8217;m working on trying to acquire a taste for beets and so have been looking for different ways to prepare them.  I love most pickled things, so I think I&#8217;ll have to give this a try.  Lacto-fermentation is interesting!  I think I&#8217;ll have to read more about it.  I bet you could lacto-ferment bread, could you not?  Or is that the same as sourdough?  Hmm&#8230; I&#8217;ll have to do a bit more research.  Anyway, thanks for the recipe!  I&#8217;ll stick it on my list of things to try.</p>
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