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		<title>By: 4 Easy Raw Cheese Recipes &#124; GNOWFGLINS™</title>
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		<dc:creator>4 Easy Raw Cheese Recipes &#124; GNOWFGLINS™</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 13:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This recipe comes from Fias Co. Farm (like most of the recipes I follow), and it is delicious! We spread it on toast, or use it as the dairy base for a delicious creamy dressing. This is a 48-hour cheese and it pretty much makes itself. 24 hours for culturing, and 24 hours for dripping. I use two layers of 90-count cheesecloth and find no need to hang the cheese up &#8211; a colander suspended in a pot works just fine. I have learned alot about this process since my first attempt. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This recipe comes from Fias Co. Farm (like most of the recipes I follow), and it is delicious! We spread it on toast, or use it as the dairy base for a delicious creamy dressing. This is a 48-hour cheese and it pretty much makes itself. 24 hours for culturing, and 24 hours for dripping. I use two layers of 90-count cheesecloth and find no need to hang the cheese up &#8211; a colander suspended in a pot works just fine. I have learned alot about this process since my first attempt. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Meg</title>
		<link>http://gnowfglins.com/2009/05/28/first-chevre/comment-page-1/#comment-22974</link>
		<dc:creator>Meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 04:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wardeh - 
As far as I know, our oldest is allergic to the whites as well (and can I just say, I LOVE the excuse to do all-yolk omeletes ;) ) so we&#039;ve figured out how to leave the eggs out on the occasion where we know he&#039;s already been exposed during the day... unfortunately, it&#039;s not the healthiest of replacements. :) We use the vegan vanilla (or, ahem, chocolate) pudding mixes (I can&#039;t think of the brand right now) and mix one package in with the milk instead of the eggs.  It actually tastes better (of course, cos it&#039;s not healthy!) than the egg version, but we also have chickens, so we try to use them as much as possible. Anyway... I hope that helps!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wardeh &#8211;<br />
As far as I know, our oldest is allergic to the whites as well (and can I just say, I LOVE the excuse to do all-yolk omeletes <img src='http://gnowfglins.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) so we&#8217;ve figured out how to leave the eggs out on the occasion where we know he&#8217;s already been exposed during the day&#8230; unfortunately, it&#8217;s not the healthiest of replacements. <img src='http://gnowfglins.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  We use the vegan vanilla (or, ahem, chocolate) pudding mixes (I can&#8217;t think of the brand right now) and mix one package in with the milk instead of the eggs.  It actually tastes better (of course, cos it&#8217;s not healthy!) than the egg version, but we also have chickens, so we try to use them as much as possible. Anyway&#8230; I hope that helps!</p>
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		<title>By: Alyss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alyss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 23:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That looks fantastic! I want to try cheese sometime soon. Now that my CSA farmer has a cow and goats maybe I&#039;ll give it a try!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That looks fantastic! I want to try cheese sometime soon. Now that my CSA farmer has a cow and goats maybe I&#8217;ll give it a try!</p>
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		<title>By: Wardeh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wardeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 22:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christina - What a wealth of information! Thank you for taking the time to give me my own copy. :) What I love about them is how flexible they sound, and also how they don&#039;t require specialty cultures. Next time I visit, I would like to see Bethany&#039;s handwriting. I&#039;m sure she never thought her words would reach so far...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christina &#8211; What a wealth of information! Thank you for taking the time to give me my own copy. <img src='http://gnowfglins.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  What I love about them is how flexible they sound, and also how they don&#8217;t require specialty cultures. Next time I visit, I would like to see Bethany&#8217;s handwriting. I&#8217;m sure she never thought her words would reach so far&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Christina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 22:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Wardeh-
I was just remembering when I used to make that type of cheese. I would strain it in  a thin kitchen towel or muslin fabric, and I would squeeze it to hurry it along.   :)

I once asked a friend who used to live among the Amish to share how she made cheese, since I didn&#039;t have internet then it was my primary resource of info. She wrote it on little paper that I keep in my recipe box.
Perhaps you would like to have a copy too  :)
Here are Bethany&#039;s recipes in her own words;

&quot;Ricotta:  (freezes well)
heat up goat milk to at least 180 degrees then remove from heat and slowly stir in vinegar or lemon juice at the proportion of 1/4 c. to 1 gallon.
The curds should seperate and float to the top within seconds. If not add a little slug of more vinegar. Let it cool some and strain the curds into a collander. I usually save the whey to use in breads, soups or feed it to the chickens or cat.

Raw Goat Cheese:
I use the older milk at least several days old. In order to leave some room at the top of the jar for expansion, I skim the cream. We use 1/2 gallon mason jars and I take several inches from the top and then set the jar in a warm place until it seperates (the milk). I pour this into a collander lined with cheesecloth. I sprinkle some salt on the cheese maybe 1tsp. or more per 1 gallon batch? Then I put a cover on it and let it strain for a day. Next I cinch up the cheesecloth with a big twisty tie and hang the cheese over a pan to drip for a day or so. You&#039;ll get the hang of it :) I like to put more salt and herbs into this cheese and eat it on salad or bread or crackers.

Raw Yogurt:
Get some plain yogurt from the store. I like Brown Cow. Use the fresh warm milk. Put a heaping Tbls.  of yogurt into a very clean qt. jar.  Strain fresh milk into jar @ 1/4 full and mix milk and yogurt well (opt. mix vanilla and honey in as well, usually has good results), then fill jar up with milk. Set in a warm place or find any inventive way to keep it warm for 8-12 hours then get it cold. I always make a 1/2 pint of yogurt with every batch to have fresh starter, keep your starter plain.

Yogurt Cream Cheese:
Strain yogurt through several layers of cheese cloth and leave untill thick like cream cheese.

Sour Cream:
Skim cream off of milk, mix 2 Tbls of yogurt into 1 scant pint of cream and let sit in a warm place untill thick.

HAVE FUN!&quot;

Well, its one more point of reference based on the experience of someone.
I hope you find it helpful!
Blessings, Christina</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Wardeh-<br />
I was just remembering when I used to make that type of cheese. I would strain it in  a thin kitchen towel or muslin fabric, and I would squeeze it to hurry it along.   <img src='http://gnowfglins.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I once asked a friend who used to live among the Amish to share how she made cheese, since I didn&#8217;t have internet then it was my primary resource of info. She wrote it on little paper that I keep in my recipe box.<br />
Perhaps you would like to have a copy too  <img src='http://gnowfglins.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Here are Bethany&#8217;s recipes in her own words;</p>
<p>&#8220;Ricotta:  (freezes well)<br />
heat up goat milk to at least 180 degrees then remove from heat and slowly stir in vinegar or lemon juice at the proportion of 1/4 c. to 1 gallon.<br />
The curds should seperate and float to the top within seconds. If not add a little slug of more vinegar. Let it cool some and strain the curds into a collander. I usually save the whey to use in breads, soups or feed it to the chickens or cat.</p>
<p>Raw Goat Cheese:<br />
I use the older milk at least several days old. In order to leave some room at the top of the jar for expansion, I skim the cream. We use 1/2 gallon mason jars and I take several inches from the top and then set the jar in a warm place until it seperates (the milk). I pour this into a collander lined with cheesecloth. I sprinkle some salt on the cheese maybe 1tsp. or more per 1 gallon batch? Then I put a cover on it and let it strain for a day. Next I cinch up the cheesecloth with a big twisty tie and hang the cheese over a pan to drip for a day or so. You&#8217;ll get the hang of it <img src='http://gnowfglins.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I like to put more salt and herbs into this cheese and eat it on salad or bread or crackers.</p>
<p>Raw Yogurt:<br />
Get some plain yogurt from the store. I like Brown Cow. Use the fresh warm milk. Put a heaping Tbls.  of yogurt into a very clean qt. jar.  Strain fresh milk into jar @ 1/4 full and mix milk and yogurt well (opt. mix vanilla and honey in as well, usually has good results), then fill jar up with milk. Set in a warm place or find any inventive way to keep it warm for 8-12 hours then get it cold. I always make a 1/2 pint of yogurt with every batch to have fresh starter, keep your starter plain.</p>
<p>Yogurt Cream Cheese:<br />
Strain yogurt through several layers of cheese cloth and leave untill thick like cream cheese.</p>
<p>Sour Cream:<br />
Skim cream off of milk, mix 2 Tbls of yogurt into 1 scant pint of cream and let sit in a warm place untill thick.</p>
<p>HAVE FUN!&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, its one more point of reference based on the experience of someone.<br />
I hope you find it helpful!<br />
Blessings, Christina</p>
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		<title>By: Wardeh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wardeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 14:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meg - thank you so much for all the info! You&#039;ve cleared up so much for me! I can&#039;t think why I didn&#039;t check NT for an ice cream recipe. ;) It is great to know your modifications for goat milk. I know just what you mean about aiming for the cream! What do you think would happen if I left out the egg yolks? My son is allergic to eggs, in particular the whites, and mildly allergic to the yolks. I&#039;m going to test him with yolks in mayonnaise, but I don&#039;t want to overdo him all at once. Regardless, I can&#039;t wait to try this - your way! Our ice cream will turn out much better, I&#039;m sure. Thanks again for letting me pick your brain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meg &#8211; thank you so much for all the info! You&#8217;ve cleared up so much for me! I can&#8217;t think why I didn&#8217;t check NT for an ice cream recipe. <img src='http://gnowfglins.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  It is great to know your modifications for goat milk. I know just what you mean about aiming for the cream! What do you think would happen if I left out the egg yolks? My son is allergic to eggs, in particular the whites, and mildly allergic to the yolks. I&#8217;m going to test him with yolks in mayonnaise, but I don&#8217;t want to overdo him all at once. Regardless, I can&#8217;t wait to try this &#8211; your way! Our ice cream will turn out much better, I&#8217;m sure. Thanks again for letting me pick your brain.</p>
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		<title>By: Meg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 05:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Wardeh - this seemed like a good place to answer your question about the goat milk ice cream! :)  We actually use a modified form of the NT recipe... 3 yolks, 1/2 c. maple syrup, 1 T vanilla (although we&#039;ve used a wee bit more to cover the taste of ... goat ;) ), 1 T cornstarch/arrowroot, and (here&#039;s the modified part) 1 c. cream, 2 c. milk instead of 3 c. of cream... 3 c. of cream makes a sticky icky on our tongues, and well, as I&#039;m sure you know, goat&#039;s milk doesn&#039;t separate out nicely so we just kinda &quot;aim&quot; for the creamy part of the milk when we&#039;re measuring out the milk.  We&#039;ve also learned that peppermint flavoring really cuts down on the extra goat-y taste that happens after a few days with our raw milk.

Also, I was going to second Sustainable Eats comment about the whey - definitely feed it to your animals... they LOVE it, and it&#039;s so good for them! :)  AND... we learned the hard way (har har) not to use cheese whey for anything except soaking beans or using in smoothies... It adds such a funky flavor to ANYTHING I soak with it (flours, pickles, etc).  A friend of mine actually uses it on her hair... but I&#039;m not there yet! ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Wardeh &#8211; this seemed like a good place to answer your question about the goat milk ice cream! <img src='http://gnowfglins.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   We actually use a modified form of the NT recipe&#8230; 3 yolks, 1/2 c. maple syrup, 1 T vanilla (although we&#8217;ve used a wee bit more to cover the taste of &#8230; goat <img src='http://gnowfglins.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  ), 1 T cornstarch/arrowroot, and (here&#8217;s the modified part) 1 c. cream, 2 c. milk instead of 3 c. of cream&#8230; 3 c. of cream makes a sticky icky on our tongues, and well, as I&#8217;m sure you know, goat&#8217;s milk doesn&#8217;t separate out nicely so we just kinda &#8220;aim&#8221; for the creamy part of the milk when we&#8217;re measuring out the milk.  We&#8217;ve also learned that peppermint flavoring really cuts down on the extra goat-y taste that happens after a few days with our raw milk.</p>
<p>Also, I was going to second Sustainable Eats comment about the whey &#8211; definitely feed it to your animals&#8230; they LOVE it, and it&#8217;s so good for them! <img src='http://gnowfglins.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   AND&#8230; we learned the hard way (har har) not to use cheese whey for anything except soaking beans or using in smoothies&#8230; It adds such a funky flavor to ANYTHING I soak with it (flours, pickles, etc).  A friend of mine actually uses it on her hair&#8230; but I&#8217;m not there yet! <img src='http://gnowfglins.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Wardeh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wardeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 16:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sustainable Eats - great idea! Thanks! I&#039;ve been wanting to feed them kefir for its antibiotic properties, since two of them have pneumonia. But I don&#039;t have enough yet. I will share the whey, though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sustainable Eats &#8211; great idea! Thanks! I&#8217;ve been wanting to feed them kefir for its antibiotic properties, since two of them have pneumonia. But I don&#8217;t have enough yet. I will share the whey, though!</p>
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		<title>By: Sustainable Eats</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sustainable Eats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 15:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wardeh - you can give the whey to your goats!  Just put it out in a separate dish.  The bacteria that has developed will help them as well.  I hope they get better soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wardeh &#8211; you can give the whey to your goats!  Just put it out in a separate dish.  The bacteria that has developed will help them as well.  I hope they get better soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Wardeh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wardeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 12:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sustainable Eats - I did get the chevre mold, but I only got one and it would not have fit all the curds from that recipe. I think I would have needed 4 or 5 molds total, so I went the bag style. I liked the bag style, even though I&#039;m not sure about doubling up layers or not. ;)

I do want to make your cajeta caramel! Wow, that stuff looks awesome and caramel is a weakness for me!

I&#039;m glad you shared what to do with the cheese whey. I did save mine this time because I thought I could use it somehow, if not for lacto-fermenting purposes.

We are enjoying the goats. Though two of them are very sick from the move. It is sad. :( The rest are doing okay to great. We bought four milkers but we&#039;re only milking two of them. Of the ones we&#039;re not, one is too ill and has not much milk (so one of her babies is not doing well, we&#039;re having to bottle feed her with milk from the other two) and the other we&#039;re not milking because her baby is coughing and we want her to get all her mom&#039;s milk until she is well. We&#039;re just muddling through and trying to figure things out. The milk is awesome though and we love this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sustainable Eats &#8211; I did get the chevre mold, but I only got one and it would not have fit all the curds from that recipe. I think I would have needed 4 or 5 molds total, so I went the bag style. I liked the bag style, even though I&#8217;m not sure about doubling up layers or not. <img src='http://gnowfglins.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I do want to make your cajeta caramel! Wow, that stuff looks awesome and caramel is a weakness for me!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you shared what to do with the cheese whey. I did save mine this time because I thought I could use it somehow, if not for lacto-fermenting purposes.</p>
<p>We are enjoying the goats. Though two of them are very sick from the move. It is sad. <img src='http://gnowfglins.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  The rest are doing okay to great. We bought four milkers but we&#8217;re only milking two of them. Of the ones we&#8217;re not, one is too ill and has not much milk (so one of her babies is not doing well, we&#8217;re having to bottle feed her with milk from the other two) and the other we&#8217;re not milking because her baby is coughing and we want her to get all her mom&#8217;s milk until she is well. We&#8217;re just muddling through and trying to figure things out. The milk is awesome though and we love this!</p>
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